Resident passes
The management has put up a notice on the notice board regarding the resident passes . By 1st July, all residents are advised to carry their resident passes for identification purposes. Most of other condos have made it a requirement for the residents to carry resident passes. Actually, this is a proposal from the R.A. in 2003. Sad to say that this ruling is rarely enforced. All the residents who wish to use the facilities at level 3 are also required to register and show their resident passes. I would like to appeal to the owners to follow the rule too as not to make it difficult for security guards to carry out their duty.
Our main objective of this ruling is to prevent trespassers from coming in and also to stop trespassers from using our facilities. If you are not residents, you have no business to be at Prima. Residents, please do not be offended if you are stopped and asked to show your resident passes.
Good night and have a nice day!
posted by SEE @ Saturday, June 17, 2006
11 Comments
11 Comments:
Glad to hear that this ruling is put into action finally . Though it might be a bit incovenient to carry the card , but it's for the good of everyone here .
Talking about resident card, this remind me about the congested entrance currently face by all prima setapak residents, especially during peak hour. This is really annoying and could be a major problem to all the residents in the future. I believe everyone knows that the bottleneck of the congestion is due to visitor registration procedure. No doubt this is a must have procedure for all visitors who wish to enter prima setapak premises. And, I can still tolerate the time taken to register 1 or 2 visitors. However, it will be disturbing if more vehicles wish to enter the premises at the same time consecutively. I think none of the owners nor residents could ever tolerate the situation. So, I think we need to address this issue as early as possible before it gets worst. My suggestion to this issue is to introduce a 2nd gate for visitor. Meaning, current entrance would have to be enlarge so that 2nd gates can be fit at the entrance. We could either extend the entrance to the left or to the right where the guard house will have to shift a little bit to the exit gate. So, the visitor gate will be placed near to the guard house to facilitate the registration process, whereas the other gate will be solely use by resident with access card. In this case, the entrance for resident will not be blocked by visitors and at the same time our security officer could have a thorough check on every single vehicle that enter the premises without having rush by resident behind the queue. No doubt this is a costly expansion, but for my opinion the expenses are worth for a long term solution. Perhaps, we could also suggest this to the developer and share the expenses between us. I'm not sure the rate of success for this deal but no harm trying.
Anonymous,
We understand the problem everyone is facing. I think ours has a high density of visitors due to a high density of tenants. Expanding the access is not practical. The problem is more with the procedure. My proposal is that when there is a long queue,the security guards should allow the vehicle to come in and park at the visitor' lots. They should then register.
I fully support the idea of second gate as a long term solutions . Sad to say is , everytime we propose something , it will be turned down by giving the reason of "high density in prima !" Does it mean nothing can be done if the condo is "high density " ?
I proposed to limit the access to the lift by card access system , it was rejected due to "high density of residents' also .
And now some RM300K going to fork out from our sinking fund to implement CCTV , this is just the initial outlay , how much more maintenance cost going to eat into our hard-earned money ?!
Will there be sufficient manpower to monitor the CCTV etc etc !
anonymous,
Before you propose anything, you have to study whether it is urgent or the practicality. Having cctv can prevent someone from breaking into your house. Your house hasn't been broken into yet. What is the point of having card access when sommeone can climb up through the stairs. Expanding the access needs the approval of the authority. Morever, the inconsiderate motorist will still park by the roadside.
Frankly , the house wouldn't be so easily broke in if the owner is taking reasonable precautionery measure.Some left to oversea for months with just a simple lock !
Installing CCTV and effectively implement it for long term is not a easy task neither .Let alone the possibility of vandalism and cost of maintenance !
anonymous,
For safety sake, anything is worth trying. Don't wait for something to happen before any action is taken. This is typical of Malaysian mentality. If it is money worth spending, we spend it. As I have said, all these break-ins have not led to any tragedies yet. No rape and no murder yet. Where maintenance is concerned, you let the management worry about it. UOA is not an irresponsible developer. They want to be around for a long time. They want to maintain their reputation too. Everyone knows that Prima is located in a highly congested area. You have to adapt to the situation here. Different people have different perceptions and priorities. We cannot live up to the expectation of everyone.
Pls don't get me wrong !What I meant by card access is actually to conceal the lift lobby ,allowing only card holder to gain access to the lift lobby and lift , of course .As you are aware , the lift lobby of block A is like pasar malam with all the trespassers walking freely .It's very annoying and pose threat to the residents here .I really failed to understand why other condo can do this but not ours ...
again due to high density ?!
I agree with primasetapak. We can't live up with everyone's expectation. But, it doesn't mean we can ignore it. Every single point/concern raise by the residents are all having the same objective, is to have a more quality and safe home. No one would bother to spend hours to post their concerns if they don't really care about Prima. Therefore, the concerns which had been discussed above are all valid. It depends on how we tackle it rather than ignore it.
Installing CCTV is indeed a brilliant decision. However, there are still a lot of questions left unanswered. For instance, to really benefit from the CCTV we need to install quite a number of them to ensure it convers various angles and this would incur huge maintenance cost. My concern is how much would UOA pay for damages on CCTVs due to whatever reasons, probably due to vandalism? And, how many times UOA will absorb the maintenance cost? How many days of recording shall we keep? Do we have the required storge space to keep the required recording? If we do, what was the estimated cost to maintain the stroage space? All these are valid questions which can't be ignore. Don't get me wrong, with the questions above doesn't mean I do not agree to install CCTV, in fact I'm very positive to this proposal. I just wanna raise my concerns about the proposal and it's my rights to do so. Same to the proposal for 2nd gate. You can shot ton of questions/concerns on the proposal but please don't reject it up front without any justification. As I said, it depends on how we tackle the problem rather than ignore it.
Besides that, about the proposal of allowing visitors to simply pass through the security check point when there is a long queue at the entrance is not a solution, but I would rather consider it as workaround for the problem. Don't worry, I'll give my justification on my rejection to the proposal. Of course, it'll shorten the waiting time for the residents to enter Prima, but in the other hand we are introducing another problem where the security officer will have a hard time to keep track the visitor list. Let me ask this, how many visitors are obedient enough that they will complete their registration procedure once they have entered the premises? I would say majority will not complete their registration. Then we will back to square one where we are vulnerable to crimals. Therefore, I strongly disagree to simply let visitors to bypass our security check point in any circumstances. Otherwise, we despite the purpose of having a guard house at the entrance. This is definitely not a good proposal. Please reconsider.
seems we're gonna have hits with this posting ... it's good that everyone raised their respective concerns, which of course is healthy ...
i think the 2nd gate is an idea worth consider provided it's feasible (financially & technically) ... some of the condos implemented this ... while a lane is specifically for residents (who has valid access pass), another lane is specifically for visitors (hence the guard mostly spend their times validating these visitors) ... but the question is if it's possible to create another lane ... if it's not possible, why ? ... is it due to space issue ? construction issue ? financial issue ? only after we address these will everyone understand reasons behind such restriction ... it's a democracy country, rite ?
as for cctv, it's of course a good idea but we've to study very carefully the "post" implementation issues/limitations/etc ... i believe everyone knows the case of air stewardess being abducted and rape at centrepoint complex (bandar utama) recently despite the cctv all over the place ... another case was where the crooks stole and thereafter even dare to go into the victim's condo unit to rape his girlfriend (or wife ?) despite the cctv implemented as well ... the main issue here is enforcement/execution ...
are the guards ready for this ? with all the screens/frames, it need a guard with high discipline for the monitoring tasks ... if the human factor is not ready, the "technology" can be compromised despite spending a quarter of million for the system ... how can we learnt from the mistakes of mishaps which happened to condos which have implemented such system ?
shall we study the door access system as well ? will it work if we have both cctv + door access ? will it be cost-effective to implement this option ? shall we study for more options instead of only 1 (which is cctv) ?
yes, i agreed that cctv implementation is not a one-time costs ... there're associated costs with such implementation which is the maintenance costs ... how much more will it add up to the existing maintenance costs ...
nowadays most cctv system stores history recording in hard-disk ... and hard-disks nowadays are really cheap, so the retention period should not be a problem ... it's a matter of operational - if the guards are ready to handle this tasks ...
i'm not against any idea, in fact all the ideas poured out there are worth consideration ... as we need both technology and humans to yield the best result ...
p.s. there was a time when the queue was too long and the guard ask the visitor to come in to park at visitor parking first before registering ... guess what, the visitor just drive in & never bother to register ... and the guard ? well, he just let it go & forget about the whole thing ... that's what worries me of this cctv proposal ... will there be monitoring ? who will audit if they realy to their job ? besides, they're not guarding pentagon of which their ass will be on fire if intruders managed to by-pass ...
just my humble opinion
fred
It's nice to know that many proposals and ideas have been presented by the residents. I am not tring to shoot down any proposals. All owners have the rights to propose whatever for the good of Prima. I don't decide anything here. The whole committee would decide. We had considered many options like the card access to the lift lobbies, card access to enter Prima, CCTV and we even consider a second gate to ease the congestion. Our committee consists of engineers, a lawyer, an accountant, a manager and the rest are pensioners. I would say we are very lucky that we have a well balance team. We received a lot of input pertaining to security systems from the engineers who are working at the high end condo around KLCC. After some brainstorming, the whole committee decided that CCTV is the best option compare to the rest. Our lift lobby is too small to accomodate the card system. Morever all the doors that lead to the staircases need to be made one way , meaning once you go out, you cannot come in anymore. This cannot be done bacause our garbage houses are located outside the doors.
With regards to CCTV, we also consider the maintenance cost, any recurrent cost, vandalism. We have also enquired from the chief of UOA security whether they can handle the cctv system. We were told CCTV is used extensively at their headquarter. We are not doing it because it is prestigious to have CCTV for our condo. For your info, there were at least ten break-ins for 2006 alone.
Once the whole committee have decided, we presented our proposal to the members at our AGM. We received 100% support from the members. The final decision still lies with the management.
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