Another break-in
Another break-in occured at Block B. It happened today. I received a call from the owner at about 4.00 p.m. today. I went over to the place to take a look. Some money and jewellery were stolen. The same procedure was used to break into the unit at level 20 . They just cut the ear-lope which is quite thin.
One preventive measure which I would like to suggest to prevent future break-in is to lock the two steel bar with a big lock as shown in picture 1 on the top. I use the same lock for my house. I really don't know whether it is fool-proof or not but none of the burglars had cut the locks to gain entry into the house so far. They usually cut the ear-lope or break it loose as shown in picture no 3.
Goodnight and have a nice day!
posted by SEE @ Thursday, August 10, 2006
16 Comments
16 Comments:
TO,
DATS Management,
Prima Setapak Condo,
Jalan Prima Setapak,
53300 Kuala Lumpur.
Dear sir,
RE: Sport shoes stolen
With this I would like to make a report to you that last night (12/8/2006) few pairs of sport shoes which are kept in the shoes cabinet placed between the wooden door and the gate of my unit (Block B, Level 23) were stolen.
I do understand that this could be very “common” case in Prima Setapak Condo but it shouldn’t happen at the penthouse level whereby all accesses were locked. By right, there should not be any outsider passing by the corridor.
I would like to highlight to you that:
a) the gate at the lift lobby was always left unlocked.
b) some owners duplicate the key of the pad lock to regular visitors such as tuition teacher.
c) when we inform the guard that the gate was always not locked, they never take any action to remind the residents here to lock the gate.
All these issues had violated the purposes of security.
With this I request your management to look into and solve the problem ASAP. Break-in cases keep happening and now the most secure level is being attacked. We really feel insecure staying in Prima Setapak Condo.
Your attention and action is very much appreciated.
Thank you.
CC. UOA
RA of Prima Setapak Condo
Hi Members of RA,
Looking at the number of breaks in cases keep increasing makes everyone feel insecure staying at prima. Can you imagine what would happen to the security condition at prima when the low cost flats plus the newly developed condominium are fully occupied? I can assure you that it would be worst if we don't take any actions now! In fact, we have 2 choices, either we live with what we have now and don't bother what will happen in the future or we make it better. I believe everyone would like to have a safe and secure home. Therefore, we left only 1 choice which is to make the security level better at prima.
From the previous blog, i read that RA had provided some suggestions to improve the security level at the guardhouse. One of the suggestion is to place a security guard at the entrance to facilitate the checking on the trespasser. Frankly, I personally do not think that the suggestion is neither effective nor efficient. I would rather consider that as a temporary action taken for short term prevention. Why I said that? Let me ask 2 questions here. How long do you think this pratice would last? 3 months? 6 months? or 1 yr? For my prediction, it will not last more than 6 months. 2nd, if you are an owner of prima, how many years do you wish to stay in prima? I think at least 6 to 10 years time or more. Obviously, the suggested solution is not meant for long term prevention. So, it would be better if more residents of prima could contribute some long term prevention/solution for future good.
I personally think that instead of asking security guard to carry out the checking procedure, it would be great if we could automated this daily procedure. How? By introducing a simple security system at the guard house to capture the identity of the trespasser. There are many ways to do that, but I think the most effective way is making use of the Identity Card (IC). Why not resident card? The reason is simple. How many of you would bring along your resident card when you go out for lunch or what so ever? Yes, the biggest advantage of using IC is the convenient level. I believe everyone would bring along their IC wherever they go. Of course, there are always pros and cons for every implementation. For this, we need to do more preparation work at the beginning to get every residents to register their IC in the security system (Not much cost involve at this stage but time consuming). Next, we would need an IC reader, either barcode or smartcard reader, to be placed at the guard house to capture the IC of every trespasser. If the IC no. does not exist in the prima resident database, the security system will immediately alert the guard in the guard house for further action. This is not an expensive implementation. I'm a software engineer and I can voluntarily develop the security system for prima (FOC). About the computer, I can try to get a used computer from my company for the cost < RM200 with Pentium 3 processor. And, the IC reader will cost only few hundreds ringgit. Overall, I would say this is a time consuming process rather than costly measurement. Moreover, this could also help the management or RA to have a better management of occupants in each unit, especially non-permanent occupants (in and out residents). This could probably help to reduce social issues in prima.
Secondly, regarding the security gate at penthouse level, I think this is a good approach where the entire floor are well controlled. However, this is only implemented on floor basis. It will be extremely costly to implement this at every floor in prima. So, I would like to suggest to bring forward this approach to be implemented at every main entrance for each blocks. For the staircase access, the security gate will only be needed at level 3 before the door. So, the staircase from level 1 to 3 will be free flow without any gate to provide more flexibility for workers, like postmen. I think this is kind of long comments. I would like to put a stop here. In fact, I can provide a more complete proposal on the security gate approach if you wish to know more. Thanks.
It's not the question of HOW now. We have the correct system, but not implemented.
Check the resident pass for every person who walked in. No pass means cannot walk in.
I saw the notice, but no guards really care.
How much percentage do you think these thief come in with cars? If you are thief, just walk in. Since you need a pass to drive in. And very much harder to escape too.
We should seriously consider the proposal by the software engineer on IC readers , it seem to be an efficient manner instead of rely on human , I wonder is this being installed in other condos ?
Thank you for all the input. I have met the management. I was told that they are going to adopt some of the procedures recommended by the R.A. To us, everything boils down to enforcement. Without enforcement from the security personnels, whatever methods you introduce would not work. We are just trying out the basic that the guards should do that is to register all the visitors. If the guards fail to carry out the basic security procedure that is expected of them , whatever alternative methods that we are going to implement then will be a waste of our fund.
I strongly agree on the proposal post by the software engineer. Actually IC numbers no need to be collected again. DATS should have this data base from residents’ card application.
Please seriously consider this suggestion. It is much cheaper compare to CCTV.
Let’s work together to improve our living environment.
I strongly agree too.
Even those who walk in need to scan a card like those cars driving in.
This will surely improve securities alot. Putting up those scanners I don't think will eat up RM 100k like the CCTV.
btw, we already have CCTV in the front gate that will record all incoming and outgoing people.
After so many incident of break in, there's no suspect recorded from the CCTV? Unless the thief climb in and climb out.
So I wonder how effective to put CCTV all around. Eventually we can't catch the thief also.
Checking of resident card is not sufficient. Why?
1. How many resident cards can the management issue for each unit? If unlimited, then it worries me as we will lost count and uncontrolable. If limited, then it causes inconveniences to the resident as they can't walk out from prima at the same time due to insufficient resident cards. They might block by the guard from entering prima although they are truely prima resident.
2. How can the guard verify the genuinity of the resident card? Bear in mind that we don't change the resident card yearly! And, the card can be easily copied by just replacing the photo. I believe you also can copy it.
3. How can we prevent ex-tenant who is still holding the resident card from entering prima? Again, the problem is we don't change our resident card regularly. IC will solve this by cancel/delete the IC no. from the resident database. The guard will know better than anyone who is moving out and the guard can easily obtained the IC from the respective tenant/resident.
So, I do not agree to depends on resident card as the security device in prima, unless management agree to improve the security of the resident card, like we change the cards yearly, or make it similar like the car access card where we need to scan to verify the genuinity/validity.
I agree with primasetapak as we need enforcement from the security personnel. In fact, this applies to every single implementation in prima, including CCTV as we are still highly depends on the security personnel to monitor the screen. In that case, why not we start something small or less costly rather than jumping into a high cost implementation and yet no one can guarantee it will helps the current situation. As least, we try on something small and slowly improve from there as we can tell precisely what extra things we need to make the small thing better. It is always easier to turn back if the small implementaton doesn't work as expected rather than turning back from the high cost one.
Sorry to hear that "Block B Level 23 resident".
I am a resident at Block B too. 4 or 5 pair of my shoes got stolen too, but I guess the thieft is F**king stupid, as he stole all my cheap shoes and left the most expensive shoe un-touch.
Anyway, I think we as resident will have to be more careful next time.
I don't think we can rely on the management any more, as they are USELESS.
I don't see the point of us paying the maintainence fee too :-)
i duno whether this is the right channel or not? juz wana ask whether anybody notice there is one fella in his 20's wif gold hair and wearing a black shirt always wandering around block B?
is he living here or wat?
Update of “Sport Shoes stolen Case”
Last Thursday morning around 4.30pm, my son heard some sound from the corridor. He woke up and found that a guy passing by our door. The guy is fat, botak and with dark skin. My son is very sure that this guy is not staying at Level 23 and didn’t dress like a guard. Later on, he heard the sound of opening the gate at the lift lobby. This means the guy going out from the gate which is supposed to be locked.
The next day, a maid from Block C told us that there is always a similar guy (fat, botak and with dark skin) carrying a bag of sport shoes and walking around Block C’s corridors.
My worries:
1) If someone who is not the resident but having the key of the gate, this level is considered insecure.
2) If the thief is staying in the condo, how are we going to check and find out?
Update of “Sport Shoes stolen Case”
"Last Thursday morning around 4.30pm, my son heard some sound from the corridor. "
sorry, I mean 4.30am.
BLock B Level 20?
OMG..
this few days.. i saw a dangerous looking man around this level as im staying there too.
how do i report? As i see him every morning around 6-7am walking around looking drunken.
This is not the person omiknight...well my sport shoes had been stolen about 3-2 months ago and iam really dissapointed as they cost alot. Pls take some action as this has been happening to many people .... i heard from my friends around the condo... it happened to them as well. These shoes are kept outside the door. It is partly my mistake but please take some action,Dats Managment. Security should be higher such as the card access system. If that system could be shifted here, it would be very...delightful. One more opinion of mine is that cameras should be put up in lifts,and in the corridors of every floor. If that is done NOBODY can break in! and people reading this pls reply because many cases of shoes stolen have taken place.
Hi Jen,
I met the guy whom you mentioned, I think he is the same person mentioned in the comment on 22/8/2006, and he is actually staying at Block B, Level 20!
I guess the guard may have more idea about this guy, you may check it out with the guard.
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